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		<title>Comment on Mystical Physicists by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah. I like the simplicity of your description of the mystical state. It certainly resonates for me. But I wonder if it helps someone who &quot;hasn&#039;t been there.&quot; You are clearly distinguishing between knowing and knowing about. Most people are only familiar with the phenomenal, and that distinction may be meaningless. The &quot;knowing&quot; you speak of is clearly the knowing beyond all experience. As you say, &quot;Don&#039;t we know the mystical by recognizing that we have gone out beyond where our language can follow?&quot;  Beautiful!  

To the Bill Mahr scientistic atheist types such an idea is sheer stupidity, born of primitive magical thinking. However, when avowed by the finest scientific minds of the modern era it opens the door to something beyond science. 

I agree with you that something IS gained by our attempts to express the ineffable. Lao-tse begins the Dao De Jing by telling us that the &quot;Dao that can be named is not the abiding Dao,&quot; then goes on to write a whole bunch about just that.  

Thank you for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah. I like the simplicity of your description of the mystical state. It certainly resonates for me. But I wonder if it helps someone who &#8220;hasn&#8217;t been there.&#8221; You are clearly distinguishing between knowing and knowing about. Most people are only familiar with the phenomenal, and that distinction may be meaningless. The &#8220;knowing&#8221; you speak of is clearly the knowing beyond all experience. As you say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t we know the mystical by recognizing that we have gone out beyond where our language can follow?&#8221;  Beautiful!  </p>
<p>To the Bill Mahr scientistic atheist types such an idea is sheer stupidity, born of primitive magical thinking. However, when avowed by the finest scientific minds of the modern era it opens the door to something beyond science. </p>
<p>I agree with you that something IS gained by our attempts to express the ineffable. Lao-tse begins the Dao De Jing by telling us that the &#8220;Dao that can be named is not the abiding Dao,&#8221; then goes on to write a whole bunch about just that.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mystical Physicists by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true, Dwai. It is our desire to &quot;make sense&quot; that generates the phenomenal world. It is our need to tell a story about what is going on that is our most human of 
qualities. We seek meaning, and that only comes from interpreting phenomena. Our observations. How something appears. The word comes from Greek 
phainomenon:‘thing appearing to view.&#039; It&#039;s about the surface impressions of things. What is really going on can never be fully known, only appearances. 

The phenomenal world IS &#039;empty&#039; of self-nature and self-existence. It is a story about &quot;What Is&quot; (Dao), which we can never know, but we can engage and resonate with. 

Then we step back and tell our story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true, Dwai. It is our desire to &#8220;make sense&#8221; that generates the phenomenal world. It is our need to tell a story about what is going on that is our most human of<br />
qualities. We seek meaning, and that only comes from interpreting phenomena. Our observations. How something appears. The word comes from Greek<br />
phainomenon:‘thing appearing to view.&#8217; It&#8217;s about the surface impressions of things. What is really going on can never be fully known, only appearances. </p>
<p>The phenomenal world IS &#8216;empty&#8217; of self-nature and self-existence. It is a story about &#8220;What Is&#8221; (Dao), which we can never know, but we can engage and resonate with. </p>
<p>Then we step back and tell our story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mystical Physicists by implicate_order</title>
		<link>http://www.taichialchemy.com/mystical-physicists#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>implicate_order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shadowy world of the objects of study (by the Physical sciences) is called phenomenal and the study of these falls in the realm of phenomenology.  The great Indian thinker Nagarjuna (of Madhyamika fame) uses a technique called prasanga (dialectics) to show that the phenomenal world is &#039;empty&#039; of self-nature and self-existence (dependently co-rising) and in that the role of the observer is paramount.

According to this viewpoint, substantial and unsubstantial are dependently co-rising and constantly changing (sounds Daoist, doesn&#039;t it?). Yet, the backdrop of all this is the observer...without the observer, none of this makes sense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shadowy world of the objects of study (by the Physical sciences) is called phenomenal and the study of these falls in the realm of phenomenology.  The great Indian thinker Nagarjuna (of Madhyamika fame) uses a technique called prasanga (dialectics) to show that the phenomenal world is &#8216;empty&#8217; of self-nature and self-existence (dependently co-rising) and in that the role of the observer is paramount.</p>
<p>According to this viewpoint, substantial and unsubstantial are dependently co-rising and constantly changing (sounds Daoist, doesn&#8217;t it?). Yet, the backdrop of all this is the observer&#8230;without the observer, none of this makes sense.<br />
 <img src='http://www.taichialchemy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Mystical Physicists by Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much like the Pauli quote you share.  Perhaps the best way to describe what we mean by the mystical, the non-dual suchness of being, etc, is simply that place of knowing that language cannot touch.  Yet to me it is the very attempt of language, of concepts and story, to reach beyond their own limitation that invokes the mystical.  In other words, were there no language, no concept, no thought to map &#039;reality,&#039; could suchness be known?  

Don&#039;t we know the mystical by recognizing that we have gone out beyond where our language can follow?  No strength without softness, yang without yin, or suchness without symbol?  As you quote, &quot; one will always carry the other already within it, as the seed of its opposite...&quot; and so from the ground of suchness grows form, and from form there is suchness.  

We cannot know the territory from the map, yet in a strange way, by asking not what the map says but what it is, it seems we do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like the Pauli quote you share.  Perhaps the best way to describe what we mean by the mystical, the non-dual suchness of being, etc, is simply that place of knowing that language cannot touch.  Yet to me it is the very attempt of language, of concepts and story, to reach beyond their own limitation that invokes the mystical.  In other words, were there no language, no concept, no thought to map &#8216;reality,&#8217; could suchness be known?  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we know the mystical by recognizing that we have gone out beyond where our language can follow?  No strength without softness, yang without yin, or suchness without symbol?  As you quote, &#8221; one will always carry the other already within it, as the seed of its opposite&#8230;&#8221; and so from the ground of suchness grows form, and from form there is suchness.  </p>
<p>We cannot know the territory from the map, yet in a strange way, by asking not what the map says but what it is, it seems we do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A is never A by implicate_order</title>
		<link>http://www.taichialchemy.com/a-is-never-a#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>implicate_order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,

I found this book highly insightful in it&#039;s analysis of labels, categories, etc. 
http://www.amazon.com/Jnana-yoga-Way-Life-Ramakrishna-Puligandla/dp/0875730914

I&#039;ve interacted with Dr. Puligandla via email (and have published a few of his papers on my website). Reading the book opened my eyes to the whole concept of what we consider &quot;real&quot;. To summarize, everything that our intellect processes (based on our sensory perceptions) is a result of a certain framework being in place (he calls it a categorical framework)...which in classical indian philosophy is called Nama-Rupa (Name-Form). We assign label to a phenomenon we observe and then the label becomes the phenomenon (even though it isn&#039;t). The importance of this revelation to me was in the fact that everything we deal with with Tai Chi and internal cultivation cannot be labeled in &quot;a way&quot;. There are many ways to label, but there is only one way to experience. The description of the experience will vary based on which cultural background we come from, what language we think in, etc, but the experience itself will remain intact. Maybe that&#039;s why Lao Tzu warned us about naming the Dao?

Thanks for your inspiring blogs.

Best,

Dwai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,</p>
<p>I found this book highly insightful in it&#8217;s analysis of labels, categories, etc.<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Jnana-yoga-Way-Life-Ramakrishna-Puligandla/dp/0875730914" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Jnana-yoga-Way-Life-Ramakrishna-Puligandla/dp/0875730914</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve interacted with Dr. Puligandla via email (and have published a few of his papers on my website). Reading the book opened my eyes to the whole concept of what we consider &#8220;real&#8221;. To summarize, everything that our intellect processes (based on our sensory perceptions) is a result of a certain framework being in place (he calls it a categorical framework)&#8230;which in classical indian philosophy is called Nama-Rupa (Name-Form). We assign label to a phenomenon we observe and then the label becomes the phenomenon (even though it isn&#8217;t). The importance of this revelation to me was in the fact that everything we deal with with Tai Chi and internal cultivation cannot be labeled in &#8220;a way&#8221;. There are many ways to label, but there is only one way to experience. The description of the experience will vary based on which cultural background we come from, what language we think in, etc, but the experience itself will remain intact. Maybe that&#8217;s why Lao Tzu warned us about naming the Dao?</p>
<p>Thanks for your inspiring blogs.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Dwai</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving as One by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dwai. Great point. Three levels just gets the conversation started. Three seems to be broadly accepted by most spiritual traditions, then subdivided into finer distinctions. Ken Wilber does a great investigation of this in his AQAL work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dwai. Great point. Three levels just gets the conversation started. Three seems to be broadly accepted by most spiritual traditions, then subdivided into finer distinctions. Ken Wilber does a great investigation of this in his AQAL work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving as One by implicate_order</title>
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		<dc:creator>implicate_order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,

My teacher too says that there are 3 levels of Tai Chi...Physical, Mental and then spiritual. I think the Hindu and Daoist concept of sheaths (or bodies) is very apt (and make further distinctions) -- The physical sheath, the energetic sheath,  the mental sheath, the intellectual sheath and the blissful sheath (called Koshas in Yogic parlance). Per these traditions, the sheaths each have their patterns and blockages (and a blockage in one can affect the others) to be worked through and only by resolving each sheath (or a combination of these) can we progress further up the spiritual ladder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,</p>
<p>My teacher too says that there are 3 levels of Tai Chi&#8230;Physical, Mental and then spiritual. I think the Hindu and Daoist concept of sheaths (or bodies) is very apt (and make further distinctions) &#8212; The physical sheath, the energetic sheath,  the mental sheath, the intellectual sheath and the blissful sheath (called Koshas in Yogic parlance). Per these traditions, the sheaths each have their patterns and blockages (and a blockage in one can affect the others) to be worked through and only by resolving each sheath (or a combination of these) can we progress further up the spiritual ladder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on October Seminars.  Love or Fear: Toward a Love-Based Martial Art by Doris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have taken this seminar before, and I could never tire of taking it over and over again. !
Rick&#039;s  concept, for me, shows how Tai Chi is NOT just an exercise, or martial art form, or
meditative movement; but A WAY OF LIFE..  I am happy to be attending again. It transcends ALL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have taken this seminar before, and I could never tire of taking it over and over again. !<br />
Rick&#8217;s  concept, for me, shows how Tai Chi is NOT just an exercise, or martial art form, or<br />
meditative movement; but A WAY OF LIFE..  I am happy to be attending again. It transcends ALL.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fork Bending in Sedona by Valarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I did not bend the fork in Sedona. I felt too much pressure to &#039;do it&#039;. I came home, took the fork in hand, told it to bend then began laughing with the fork and yes indeedy, it did bend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I did not bend the fork in Sedona. I felt too much pressure to &#8216;do it&#8217;. I came home, took the fork in hand, told it to bend then began laughing with the fork and yes indeedy, it did bend!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Frying With an Empty Pan by bob markey</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob markey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice video piece...&quot;frying with an empty pan&quot;.

thanks for all that you give..........
Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice video piece&#8230;&#8221;frying with an empty pan&#8221;.</p>
<p>thanks for all that you give&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Bob</p>
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